Josh Bersin,

CEO, The Josh Bersin Company


Josh Bersin speaks to HR Grapevine for an exclusive interview studying why traditional employee experiences fall short and a shift to employee activation is needed to tackle issues including burnout and disengagement...

Josh Bersin,

CEO, The Josh Bersin Company


Josh Bersin speaks to HR Grapevine for an exclusive interview studying why traditional employee experiences fall short and a shift to employee activation is needed to tackle issues including burnout and disengagement...

Why is understanding EX a
more complex task than ever?

Today more than 81% of employees report high levels of burnout and more than 25% of the U.S. workforce changes jobs each year. It’s a similar story in the rest of the world. A recent survey by a recruiter in the UK revealed that 40% of employees were poised to change jobs in 2024, a phenomenon driven by a combination of financial incentives and the pursuit of more flexible working conditions.

With labor shortages in almost every role, companies have to understand how to improve their people's engagement, enjoyment, and productivity. And while this is happening, employees are “acting out” by joining unions, protesting, and posting comments about their employers online. Understanding this environment is becoming a priority for many organizations around the world.

Where do traditional EX approaches like basic surveys fall short?

The history of EX goes back to industrial engineering and I/O psychology, often based on surveys. Surveys were a good idea in the 1930s and 1940s and carried on until the 1980s when people had less job mobility and job hopping was difficult. They were used to do annual “engagement surveys” often for benchmarking.

Then along came pulse surveys and more of a “listening strategy.” But even that falls short because nobody knows what questions to ask. Now we need to reverse the flow, let employees tell us what they see as opportunities for improvement, and open the aperture to suggestions about everything: benefits, management, productivity process improvements, product fixes, and more. That’s what we define as “employee activation.”

We need to reverse the flow, let employees tell us what they see as opportunities for improvement, and open the aperture to suggestions about everything

Josh Bersin | CEO, The Josh Bersin Company
What is ‘employee activation’ and how does it improve upon the concept of EX?

This is a big new idea: designing the organization so that employees don’t just fill out surveys, but can instead give suggestions to management and leadership. From the suggestions and insight gleaned from these suggestions, the company can take a “continuous improvement” attitude towards evaluating and possibly testing everything that comes up as popular. Crowdsourcing is a part of this, as is much better “idea management” and a culture of embracing employee ideas. This encourages them [employees] to “be active” in helping us make the company (and their jobs) better.

After all, who knows a job better than the people who do that job? Providing them with the means and the tools to submit feedback and suggestions is good, but it’s also imperative to build a culture and environment that not only encourages such feedback but rewards it. People need to be confident that their suggestions will be listened to and given proper consideration.

The employee activation approach includes concepts such as idea crowdsourcing
How can employers shift
from EX to employee activation?

This is an area on which we have given huge focus in recent years. Making the shift includes creating places to share ideas, enabling crowdsourcing, empowering managers to make local decisions, and creating a process for continuous improvement. This last point is essential. Employee activation is not something to be started and then completed, it is an ongoing process that will evolve and change over time.

Just as companies manage product recommendations from customers, companies need to manage company, product, employee benefits, and productivity recommendations from the teams. It’s vital that they do so and vital that they support workers throughout the process.

How is the technology market shifting
to support this transition?

Tech vendors have moved quickly to support the changing needs that have emerged from the move toward employee activation. There are various providers in this space including Medallia, which has built a set of tools for continuous listening and activation.

Employee activation is not something to be started and then completed, it is an ongoing process that will evolve and change over time.

Josh Bersin | CEO, The Josh Bersin Company

Qualtrics is also moving in this direction, as are vendors like Perceptyx and Workday. It’s an evolving area of HR tech and as with many other disciplines within HR, there will undoubtedly be an element of AI involved too, sooner rather than later.